PS - Guardians of the Galaxy was actually rly racist, ableist and misogynistic and you should avoid giving marvel your money
i didn’t even realize this was part of the marvel/dc comics chain because i would have had foreknowledge of how fucked up it was going to be and not given them my money. essentially, all the “bad” characters were Black - either their skin or their clothing. one of the worst characters had tribal-ish paint on his face. the heroes/good guys were mainly portrayed as white and human, save the other three main characters - one being a WoC (Zoe Saldana) whose Blackness is hidden under green skin makeup, not to mention the age old process of denying Black individuals and PoC (aboriginal individuals, Brown people, Black people, Armenians, etc.) humanity, which is the same process happening when the “bad guys” are either Black sueprhumans or mutants (the “good” mutants had pink skin, which is closely associated w/ white babies). The evil characters were also, in addition to being Black, shown to have blue eyes, something uncommon in Black individuals and a marker of whiteness (think The Bluest Eye). The ableism was really disgusting and became blatant when Rocket, the Racoon main character, tells his companions to first steal a prosthetic leg from a prisoner and then a fake eye - both just for his own amusement (he goes as far as almost getting one of his partners killed just to laugh at the expense of a disabled individual). While there was some hope of a feminist byline, with a strong female lead that goes beyond a love interest and who is shown as cunning/good in her deception, rather than defaulting to misogynistic/biblical ideologies of inherently evil/deceptive women, we again fall back into a romantic storyline, women using their sexuality against men/that being their biggest weapon and still being the more subservient “leader”. Not to mention the misogynistic language throughout. idk just a lot of issues with this and im rly mad i gave them my money.
This post gave me brain damage.
*responds to a post r/e ableism with ableist language*
But beyond that, all you really said was you are unable to follow a critical argument. Thanks for your two cents but like I’m embarrassed for you.
HOKAY, take a seat kids because I’m about to do a thing.
This post is such a colossal shit pile that I’m going to have to break it up in chunks just to get through it all. CLEARLY, you know jack shit about the actual comics/storyline Guardians of The Galaxy was based on - or ANY of the history predating it, i.e. the Kree war and Ronin the Accuser’s background, to name a few. Your “parallels’ are absurd to a degree that leaves me wondering if you have ever, in your entire life, had the ability to process basic reason and logic without inserting your own bias into it.
Lets get started, shall we?
i didn’t even realize this was part of the marvel/dc comics chain because i would have had foreknowledge of how fucked up it was going to be and not given them my money.
So basically, what we already knew - You know NOTHING about this comic’s history, the characters within, hell I didn’t once even see you USE THE CHARACTER’S NAMES.
The fact that GoG is in no way, shape, or form related to DC comics is irrelevent, but I fighre I’ll bring it up to further outline how fucking ignorant you are.
essentially, all the “bad” characters were Black - either their skin or their clothing. one of the worst characters had tribal-ish paint on his face.
His NAME is motherfucking RONIN THE ACCUSER, and he’s KREE.
“Ronan is a member of the alien Kree race and a member of the Accuser Corps, who are the Kree equivalent of military governors and jurists. His rise through the ranks was extraordinary, and he eventually became the third-most powerful being in the Kree Empire. The Supreme Intelligence appointed him “Supreme Accuser of the Kree Empire,” and in this role he is known simply as “Ronan the Accuser”.”
The Kree are so far from ‘tribal’ it’s not even funny - they’re a highly militaristic and technologically advanced race.
the heroes/good guys were mainly portrayed as white and human, save the other three main characters - one being a WoC (Zoe Saldana) whose Blackness is hidden under green skin makeup, not to mention the age old process of denying Black individuals and PoC (aboriginal individuals, Brown people, Black people, Armenians, etc.) humanity, which is the same process happening when the “bad guys” are either Black sueprhumans or mutants (the “good” mutants had pink skin, which is closely associated w/ white babies).
A Raccoon, a Sentient tree, and an entire Corps of alien beings (the Nova Corps, which is in fact made up of many, many races - there’s even a living Planet that is part of the Corps.) are now “mainly white”.
You know why GAMORA is green? Because she’s a Zen Whoberi, and she’s the last of her race. Thanos found her as a child and raised her to be a weapon. The race of the fucking actor literally doesn’t even factor in - what, were they suppose to change her as a character to a black woman? SHE ISN’T. She isn’t even human, you fucking idiot. No one ‘erased’ Zoe Saldana’s race, she’s an actor who played the character and therefore ADOPTED THAT CHARACTER’s LIKENESS. AKA, what every fucking ACTOR usually DOES when they PLAY A ROLE.
FUCK, I can’t even decipher that last fucked up bit you wrote except to call it a desperate attempt to paint each and every character as either WHITE or a ‘POC’ - good job, ya bigoted fuck. Erasing those character’s backgrounds, races, and achievements to fit your fucking agenda, way to be a disgusting, disrespectful shit.
The evil characters were also, in addition to being Black, shown to have blue eyes, something uncommon in Black individuals and a marker of whiteness (think The Bluest Eye).
Thanos has purple eyes. Ronin has PURPLE eyes. Gamora has brown/black eyes in the movie, and in the comics her eyes are WHITE, with no pupils.
You’re a fucking moron, grasping at straws.
The ableism was really disgusting and became blatant when Rocket, the Racoon main character, tells his companions to first steal a prosthetic leg from a prisoner and then a fake eye - both just for his own amusement (he goes as far as almost getting one of his partners killed just to laugh at the expense of a disabled individual).
At least you fucking got his name right - I think if you had fucked up “Rocket Raccoon” I might have had an aneurysm. Let’s talk about Rocket, shall we?
Rocket is a fucking raccoon - in case you missed that - who has been surgically manipulated to have human intelligence and bipedal locomotion. He’s been experimented on frequently by The Stranger, and his only purpose was to be a caretaker at a mental asylum - mind you, he’s got no notions of decency, manners, shame, respect. Nothing, he’s an animal that’s been given human smarts with no evolutionary ‘breaking in’ period. No culture, nothing. It’s also frequently implied throughout the comics that he has an extreme case of OCD. Some of his memories? Implanted, so he can’t even trust a lot of those. His entire personality is about as politically incorrect as you can get - he’s spent his entire natural life as basically a mercenary.
All that being said, oh my god, it was a fucking joke and it was FUNNY, CRY HARDER shithead.
While there was some hope of a feminist byline,
HAHAHAHAHAHA, Of course, you would be one. Why am I not surprised?
Also, no. Feminism doesn’t have some kind of monopoly on “strong female characters”.
with a strong female lead that goes beyond a love interest and who is shown as cunning/good in her deception, rather than defaulting to misogynistic/biblical ideologies of inherently evil/deceptive women, we again fall back into a romantic storyline, women using their sexuality against men/that being their biggest weapon and still being the more subservient “leader”.
uh….where? There was no fucking ‘romantic stroyline’ you moron, did you even watch the movie or were you too busy wanking yourself into an angry froth in the back row?
Pretty sure I remember Gamora beating the shit out of Peter Quill - she doesn’t follow him because ‘HEZ A MAN’, she follows him because she respects his skills. FUCK, she doesn’t even ‘follow’ him; again, if you watched the movie, her actions saved their fucking asses. Ronin was sitting pretty behind a big armored slab of a door before Gamora shut off the security and let them through - acting alone.
Not to mention the misogynistic language throughout. idk just a lot of issues with this and im rly mad i gave them my money.
Not to mention shut the fuck up.
See, this is what happens when fucking idiots who have no fucking clue what they’re even attempting to criticize is ABOUT
get an internet connection, a keyboard, and an unwarranted sense of self-importance.
"IDK i just, ugh god so problematic and obvs another Patriarchal attempt to oppress womyns and da minorities!"
You call this pile of cold shit a ‘critical argument’?
The only person you should be “but like” embarrassed for is yourself.
The LENGTHS white dudes go through to defend problematic bullshit in the things they like.
HAHA, The lengths white girls will go to find “problematic” (hahahaha) shit in everything to they can apologize for it and be a ‘nice guy’. Because if I’m white, you’re white too cupcake :^)
First, let’s discuss that a majority of movie goers aren’t comic book stans and don’t really give a shit about the original storyline and will come in with little to know knowledge r/e a premise or back story. These are the people consuming this media on the largest scale and *by golly* still enjoying it! Not to mention the original comics (both aesthetics and storyline) have been changed and presented in such a manner that its doing a disservice to the premise that original comic itself wasn’t problematic, but we’ll get to that.
If you’re basing this premise on the amount of people who go to all movies, yeah - but if you actually think the majority of movie goers who go see comic book movies have never read the comics, I’m going to laugh in your face. Then, I’m going to ask you to prove that assertion; you wont, we both know that’s a dishonest statement made to support your argument that your ignorance detracts nothing from your ‘critique’.
But okay mr. conservative anti-feminist, let me teach you how logic actually works. This is going to be challenging, I see from the start, given you truly believe a criticism of casting to be a dismissal of a storyline, but let me try my best.
Yours? Absolutely, given your determination to assign every character a label as being a “Black” character or a “White” (them evil whites!) character.It’s funny, your argument sorta falls apart if you don’t split everybody into only two groups based on if they’re “good” or “evil” and therefore “white” or “black”.
Your first point, and I’ll let it slide, even though this is “your comic” (as per your statement about ~*going in on this post*~)
Because that was totally a statement in which I seriously implied owership, haha yeah!
and you should already know this, is only partially factual. Yes, DC comics and Marvel are two separate entities owned by different corporations. But riddle me this, Einstein, if one of Rocket Raccoon’s creators (Rocket Raccoon being a central/main character in the film) is now under contract with DC Comics and has worked cross overs in his career, how is this not DC getting money from the film?
LOL, maybe because….they fucking aren’t? You do actually understand how the comic book industry works…right? I mean, you would never imply that DC is making money off of this movie even though they had no involvement with it, at all, right? I mean, you aren’t actually implying that comic book writers get paid royalties and have total rights over the characters they create, right? You already knew that comic book writers work pretty freelance, meaning when they retire most of them end up broke as shit, I mean why am I even saying all this since you already know? You little sleuth you!
Marvel fully owns the rights to Guardians of The Galaxy; that isn’t a “partially true” statement; DC made no money from it. This fact does not hinge on your understanding of it. Next!
As for thinking I didn’t even once use the characters’ names raghhhrsrsrrawjtsjdh (emphasis yours), the entire thread is above and you could have went back and realized I did not, in fact, use any names. But considering you didn’t scroll up, I’ll assume this is the reason your logic is very ad hominem, given knowing the storyline is irrelevant when it comes to critiquing its problematic nature (by critiquing essential problematic areas, ie the ableism, I am, by extension, also critiquing the original comic so knowing the story line, neither here nor there).
So lets see, you admit that you, as a ‘critiquer’ who takes herself seriously, couldn’t be bothered to even look up the names of the characters you were critiquing for ‘problematic’ (hahahaha) behavior/etc.
And nah, if my logic was ‘ad hominem’, I would have said “You’re a fucking idiot, that’s why you’re wrong.”
That’s an ad hom.
What I did was say “Based on your argument and logic (or lack thereof, as it were) and your disgustingly racist process of separating every character into the categories of “White” or “Black” (we’ll get to that :) ) , your ignorance of the characters you’re critiquing, your ignorance of the storyline/backstory you’re critiquing, and the fact that a good 2/3 of your argument relies on this forced categorization, while completely ignoring the character’s biographies to do so, makes your argument complete and utter shit.”
So yeah, I called you an idiot but I also made a pretty compelling argument in favor of it ;)
To go a bit further, a majority of people seeing the film (told you we’d get to it) haven’t read the comics/don’t know names/could really give a fuck about names. One of my favorite books is Crime and Punishment, beyond not being able to remember all of the key characters names, I couldn’t pronounce a majority of them either. Does this detract from the content of the novel itself? Evidently not, if it’s my favorite.
"My ignorance is ok because LOTS of people are!"
Yeah! That’s totally a legit argument, hahaha!
So, again, ad hominem logic.
The word you’re looking for is ‘strawman’, sweetheart. And no, actually. In fact, I’m laughing because your accusation that I’m making ‘strawman’ arguments…is a strawman argument, i.e. an argument in which you misrepresent mine in order to make it sound ‘ridiculous’ so that you can pretend to burn it down.
Because yeah, I did bring up the fact that you didn’t actually use any of the character’s names (dont act like you did it on purpose, lol), but I did so as a single example of why you have little to no knowlege of what you’re critiquing and couldn’t be bothered to actually read up on it, at all. I feel safe in saying that you’ve not read a single one of the comics.
But back to your “point,” a few quick google searches really tells me all I need to know in regard to a critique, namely that the characters in the comic aren’t the same, visually, as they are on screen, which kind of works against any sort of racialized defense you’ve mentioned above but we’ll get there.
"A quick google search tells me all I need to know"
Well you copy and pasted a portion of my post regarding the Blackness of the evil races and then hooked me up with a link that describes Kree as pink or blue “The original Kree had blue-colored skin, but a second racial group with pink skin resembling that of human Caucasians emerged over the millennia. Presently, the blue-skinned “purebred” Kree are a small, but powerful, minority. Pink Kree are much more durable than their blue racial brethren.” So now, explain, why is it then that the Kree in the beginning of the film, including Korath the Pursuer, are Black skinned individuals with blue eyes?
Hahaha, look at you, name dropping now that you’ve actually googled some stuff. I like that you’ve actively latched on to the ONE character Marvel changed the skin color of (literally, for diversity; given that Marvel as been getting much flak over the years from far better and respectable critics than yourself for their ‘lack’ of black characters, I don’t make that claim lightly.) Furthermore, Korath only appears in the comics a handful of times and is relatively new as a character; I bet next you’re going to say they chose Michael Clark Duncan to play the Kingpin in Daredevil just to make Black people look evil. (Don’t. Just Don’t. Mr. Duncan was probably the best bit of casting in that entire movie, and it wasn’t because he was black.)
You also forget to take into account that the blue Kree have most of the power in their society, since they’re racial purists both by LAW and because of a curse that keeps their species from evolving - inter-breeding with other species is what gave rise to the pink Kree. Also, there are Grey Kree, but Im sure you also knew that.
OH OH , and the BEST part …
Korath isn’t a Kree at all in the movie. He’s a leader of a group of Sarkaaran bounty hunters.
one of these guys
He’s literally never specified to be Kree, he just works with them.
As for the Sarkaarans themselves, they aren’t “Black” people; they’re insectoid. Their armor is black and chitinous. Like a beetle. Are beetles “Black” bugs now? They have pincers for mouths, for chrissake. Not in any way the same race as the Kree or Korath.
You’re not really helping the case of racism here.
You’re really not helping your case that you’re not ignorant as fuck, haha.
To argue they are a militaristic force is a moot point, given the original comics showcase futuristic looking blue skinned creatures, while the film adaptation presents Black individuals with blue eyes and tribal markings on their arms/faces (as opposed to futuristic all encompassing costumes).
Nope. Again, Ronin is blue and the only actual “Black” character is Korath. Man, I bet the world you see is boring; only ever seems to be two colors with you, to the absolute exclusion of all else. And the only actual “Black” character is STILL Korath (who is also the only alien/”nonwhite” character who HAS blue eyes. I like how one character has become, as your language would suggest, a whole bunch of black, blue eyed tribesmen.) And he’s STILL not “black” because he’s STILL not even human! He has his own fucking race, albeit it’s not specified in the movie. Still amazingly, obviously, not Kree.
So, the film adaptation literally attempts to make these groups of Black people appear “tribal” through face paint and body markings, even though that’s not what the original looks like.
God, you can’t even use ‘literally’ in the correct sense, either. No, it ‘literally’ doesn’t; you’re implying that it does through your own twisted logic. They. AREN’T. Black! See, the great thing about these characters is that they already HAVE their own racial identities! Their own culture, their own history, which you have TOTALLy ignored and erased in favor of creating this groovy little pile of race-bating bullshit.
Seems like a pretty intentional decision, no? (Not to mention when you have the potential to rake in billions of dollars, literally every decision is methodical, calculated and…well…intentional.)
idk it just doesn’t look a lot like this:
I actually can’t find any pictures of the scene where starlord originally steals the orb with the other Black skinned/blue eyed kree roaming the deserted planet before happening upon quill. They had locks in ponytails and white tribal bands on their arms, just to keep this uniform.
Again, this entire assertion that it was ‘completely intentional’ is all based on…..your stalwart crusade to label every character as either ‘black’ or ‘white’. It couldn’t have been because they wanted to focus in on the cyborg aspect of Korath’s character. It couldn’t be because they, again, were responding to criticm and creating a token black character. If they’d kept the original concept, I’m SURE you would have found a way to claim his helmet and suit ‘erased his blackness’ - hell, you already made that claim with Gamora, that she should have been changed as a character to a black woman to satisfy your social justice rageboner.
Their helmets had wires and their armor had an armband, so fucking WHAT?
And, again; they weren’t Kree, and they don’t have blue eyes.
Speaking of tribal paint, that brings me to Ronan the accuser, I’m sorry, motherfucking RONIN THE ACCUSER, a KREE! (You know you’re spelling a character you get hard over’s name wrong, right? But since it’s ~*your motherfucking comic*~ I’ll just follow your lead)
OH NO, You mean Siri misspelled a name in my dictated draft that I missed? MY ARGUMENT IS CRUMBLING, NOOO!
So, here we have motherfucking RONIN THE ACCUSER, a KREE in the original comic series:
Just a blue skinned dude with some black paint around his eyes like a mask
And here we have a white actor playing motherfucking RONIN THE ACCUSER, a KREE:
Note the difference in face paint. This is not a clean, smooth black eyed mask, but rather a chalky/chunky full face AND neck marking. In one scene, we watch the blood of a Xandarian trickle through a machine to become collected. We can draw the conclusion that motherfucking RONIN THE ACCUSER, a KREE was wearing the blood of his enemies throughout the film.
Ah yes, I forgot about that Kree tradition that literally we never, ever see any of the other Kree follow in the comics…or the movie…but you’re right, backstory not important. Also, there’s no “machine”, there’s some decorative channels in the floor; the blood never actually goes anywhere else, you drew a HUGE inference off of a 3 second clip and stretched it out into an entire theory, lol good job.
besides the texture (which, if you watch, you can actually see his little helpers making the paste that goes on his face; there is no indication whatsoever that it’s Xandarian blood.), pretty fuckin’ similar.
Both full face makeup and wearing the blood of your enemies (not to mention tribal markings) are very closely associated with our western perception of the current genocide in the Democratic Republic of the Congo - INCLUDING motherfucking RONIN THE ACCUSER, a KREE’s exact phrasing that he wants to cleanse Xandar.
Do you have any clue how long this comic has been going on? OF course not! But hey, backstory and history not important, right? You can make totally legitimate, not pulled out of your ass claims without knowing anything about the comic!
Ronin wants to cleanse Xandar because of the Kree/Skrull war and everything that happened in that timeline. You’ve also forgotten, completely, that Ronin himself is not representative of the Kree as a race or as a government; he’s rogue, acting alone, and the Kree have nothing to do with him in the movie. In fact, Ronin is the ONLY KREE we see in the entire movie, besides a Kree embassador who we see talking to a Nova Corps leader briefly. (by the by, that whole exchange was about condemming Ronin’s extermination of Xandarian colonies. Not important though, right?)
But let’s, again, go back to my original point that the Kree race, who is BLUE and PINK (like Caucasians, as it is plainly stated on the resource YOU linked me to) is presented as BLUE and BLACK (unless the right hand human looking dude with the Ravagers is also a Kree, in which case one is a human like pink??)
LOL actually what is stated in the link is that they’re closer to humanoid Caucasians; literally the only thing they have in common with human Caucasians, both in relation to social status and physical traits.
SO no, they aren’t ‘presented’ as black and white.
While we’re at this juncture, let me just say: MEGA awesome how you’ve also taken the Earth’s entire population and boiled them down into two groups, based on skin color, erasing thousands of years of racial history. It’s really refreshing to see a social justice warrior who doesn’t nit pick about the vastly unique cultures of a race and instead just focuses on how dark or how pale their skin is. Super awesome, totes mondo cool.
So tell me why we are disaccoiating the whiteness of the actors playing blue Kree (ESPECIALLY RONAN) but then adding the element of Blackness to the Kree race where it was previously nonexistent?
YOU added that, dimbulb! There was never an association to begin with, that’s what this ENTIRE argument is about! LOL
You’ve fabricated an association to fit your need to play ‘good guy whitey’.
Does it not have anything to do with refusing to associate whiteness with evil and attempting to showcase the genocide as something tribal that must be stopped? Why are we associating genocide with Black people when it was originally associated with blue and pink people?
Because your entire argument hinges on doing so!
I see what you’re working up to though, lol
"MUH WHITES COMMITTING GENOCIDE"
(Just so we’re all on the same page here. and because well he used gifs so I guess the least I can do is use pictures, right?)
"we", hahaha. The grandstanding is cute.
Your next point, about the NovaCorps being made up of many many races. Firstly, a Raccoon, an alien and a sentient tree aren’t part of the Nova Corps, are they?
I never said they were? I addressed your claim that ” ALL DA GUD GUYS IZ WHITE”.
But, again, you’re throwing around a lot of moot points here.
hahahahaha sure I am. “Hurts my argument? MOOT POINT DOESN’T MATTER!”
Anyway, a plethora of races, you say? Wow, I never would have guessed from this film! In fact, I never would have gotten that some humans aren’t white, either!
Considering that Peter Quill is the only human we see in the entire film (and he’s only half human)….
hm so here we have one half of the leadership of the Nova Corp, a white woman,
You mean Irani Rael? Played by Glenn Close?
next to another white woman, next to a Black actor with blue painted skin (because remember we already associated Blackness with evil so he can’t be Black bc that might associate Blackness with goodness which might confuse people!)
Or maybe he’s a race with blue skin, LOL
Maybe he’s KREE!
HUGE, leaping bounds of pasted together insinuations, Batman!
But here are the important/noteworthy Nova Corps members and prison guards (you know, keepers of peace/order/justice), according to imdb:
So…yeah, save for one Black actor and 2-3 white passing actors/actress of color…yeah the Nova Corps is presented, in the film, as primarily white. Do not write this off as unintentional when, as you stated yourself, the Nova Corps is comprised of several races.
LOL, I’m going to, because I’m a sane rational human being who’s not desperately clawing at anything I can in order to prove “DAS WAYSIST!”
The Nova Corps started out as Xandar’s space militia and exploration corps. Meaning, the brunt of their forces are from Xandar. Xandarians have pale skin.
It’s also noteworthy that the broker, who has a lot of money/is a store owner/jeweler and is shown as being very nervous/anxious (and a Xandarian, under genocidal persecution at the hands of motherfucking RONIN THE ACCUSER, a KREE) and seems to be the caricature of a Jew (emphasis on the size of this nose paired with his whiteness and timid personality)
HOLY SHIT, that actually is kinda racist…
I cant believe you actually just tried to make that argument.
Okay, GAMORA is a green alien, thank you for the enlightenment you have bestowed upon me. But let me point out the fallacy in your logic of “should they change the character to match the actresses race omg ur so unintelligent wah” because, well, as we already went over, the Kree are turned into Black people and you’re defending it so…I mean…what? It’s actually really cool that a WoC was cast as the main actress in this film, especially a good character! However, there are plenty of good white HUMANOID characters in this film (see above imbd character list of white actors/actresses involved in Nova Corp/police system/symbolic of “peace/justice/order”) and MINIMAL Black humans portrayed as humans who do good things in the movie (one made the imbd list. one.)
Again, all based on your mono-chromatic classification of every character in the movie besides Rocket, Groot, and Drax. Which we’ve already been over several times, and I have repeatedly dismantled.
“FUCK, I can’t even decipher that last fucked up bit you wrote except to call it a desperate attempt to paint each and every character as either WHITE or a ‘POC’ - good job, ya bigoted fuck. Erasing those character’s backgrounds, races, and achievements to fit your fucking agenda, way to be a disgusting, disrespectful shit.” I actually had to copy and paste this part because it was too unintelligent to remember your flawed argument between scrolls.
So, my argument was ‘stupid’, but too hard for you to follow?
> you being smart
But um that’s actually what race is: you’re white or you’re a person of color.
THERE IT IS
An ethnicity is not the same as a race. I did not say white characters and Black characters. In fact, the female Nova Corps woman of color is not Black but is, in fact, a woman of color. Since when did discussing a person’s race entail discussing their achievements? Really the only “bigoted, disgusting, disrespectful” act is denying and defending racism within a film because you get off to the comic. But so it goes, let’s address the rest of your tom foolery.
The cultural history and achievements of a race are no longer important guys, only the darkness of their skin. I’m racist though.
Please do me a favor and educate yourself on just how many different “White” races there are. The term “Person of Color” actively lumps all non-“white” races together, ignoring their individual cultures in favor of making them into a group you can then seperate from anyone who’s skin is sufficiently pale enough. This is the very basis of racism itself; you are a racist, it’s that simple. Not only that, but actually erasing the agency and culture of the people you’re claiming to be ‘fighting for’, look at you go!
Neither Thanos, Ronan nor GAMORA were portrayed as having Black skin, which was a qualifier beyond being an evil character for this to be applicable, so, again, moot point.
> “the Kree are black because Korath”
>Korath not actually Kree in the movie
>Ronan IS Kree
>but Ronan isn’t black.
>See first claim you made
you mean, something you can’t figure out how to spin your way?
(Not to mention GAMORA is in the category of good characters as far as this film is concerned.)
But you know who WERE portrayed as Black, evil and bearers of blue eyes? Korath the pursuer and his gang that initially challenged Quill when he originally took the orb. You’re sidestepping around the issue with illogical derailment so I don’t quite understand…
I’m not ‘sidestepping’ jack shit, I’m flat out telling you that you’re wrong, because you’re basing this claim on false information.
Because you don’t know jack shit about the story, you’re just cherry picking anything you can find to race-bait.
Wow, yes, we can change storylines and characters appearances, we can write out and write in entire characters, but god forbid we leave out the ableism! Because, you know, we also knew about the asylum and the implanted memories, because you know they were totally relevant.
A character’s backstory is no longer relevent to that character’s personality, you heard it here guys!
And the ableism was totally relevant too, wow, yes, so pivotal to the plot - I never would have understood the film without it! *omfg dont criticize oppressive/problematic shit because it’s fucking funny* is literally the laziest defense and also just kind of shows the kind of person I’m dealing with here, which isn’t to say much, really.
LOL, SO sorry that MY fingernails aren’t sore from scraping the bottom of the barrel of things to be offended about.
Are you, yourself, disabled? Tell you what, you find me a disabled person who was personally offended by that, and I’ll publicly apologize.
You’re calling ME lazy? Lady, here you are tossing ablism around like it fucking means anything in this day an age, where everywhere there is SOMEBODY who can’t do SOMETHING, and a thousand more perfectly healthy people ready to be offended FOR them (because they don’t know any better, right?)
yeah, omfg, of fucking course I’m a feminist, wow your disparaging and condescending tone TOTALLY discredits feminism, its work and its ideals!
LOL, you guys didn’t need MY help to do that, you did that on your own. Spectacularly, I might add. To the point where there are lifelong feminists actively dropping your collective asses in favor of MRA organizations, that must sting lol.
Wow, yeah, gross, what kind of woman cares about women, misogyny and the oppression/violence she has to deal with on a daily basis, what a complete and utter ignoramus, amirite???
You forgot the “As long as they support feminism too” part.
But no we agree, you are a total ignoramus.
But again, how does insulting my politics and ideologies serve to defend any of your points? Again, non sequitur logic but I’m still holding out hope for ya, buddy!
haha it wasn’t meant to, that was more for me to quietly laugh at. I mean, it makes total sense:
Being offended at everything.
Seeing misogyny everywhere.
Wholesale ignoring that not a single woman died in the movie while hundreds of faceless men did….but hey, misogyny! Mean words!
lol feminism has a monopoly on strong female characters since…well since it’s been feminism with the main purpose of battling misogyny and patriarchal oppression/violence. You’re right, it’s totally not feminist for a woman to be strong, sure and confident, considering there’s not a history of oppression within this sphere geared specifically at women, lol o h k a y. It’s totally not feminist for GAMORA and Nebula to doublecross/betray the men who had oppressed and harmed them, nor was it a feminist act for the Collector’s “slave” to destroy his most prized possession.
Oh my god, my sides hahahahahaha!
NO, literally none of that was ‘feminist’. Goddamn, it’s like you’re trying to slap your label on anything you think you can get away with taking credit for!
Feminism does not have any fucking monopoly on strong female characters, where the fuck do you get off even trying to claim that? To claim the hard work of writers who dreamed them up and put them on a page, with absolutely no regard to your shitty sexist movement(HOW DARE THEY)?
"Patriarchal", lol I should have known you’d bring that up. Damn, we’re going to need an entirely new post just to address that properly. Suffice it to say that there’s actually no legitimate evidence that we in first world countries live in a "Patriarchal" society, at all; Princeton did a study on it actually and found the US specifically lacked even a single qualifier for a "Patriarchal" society in which women are "oppressed". If you want to debate feminism, I’ll be more than glad to, anytime you want.
But no, you don’t get to look at a bunch of strong women and their actions and then try to coersively slap your feminist label on them; removing women’s agency in favor of pushing your own agenda, gooooooo Feminism!
Yikes sry to inform you there’s a feminist storyline in yr beloved comics, sorry to ruin it for you. Haha no romantic storyline, yeah, yr right, right before she goes to kiss him, she beats him up (wow yes she beat the shit out of him~*) which is later explained away/neutralized by her *tender* explanation of being tortured/made into a weapon by a man who kille dher parents in fornt of her/abducted her/stole her life - can’t trust people or feel pleasure/is a machine, yadda fucking yadda. Did you miss the part, at the end, where they actually kiss and it’s intimated they begin a relationship/fuck?
OH NO THEY WUT!?
They p-p-put their lips together?? Like, holy shit people do that in real life? WHAT? Romance in a movie MUST be demonized at all costs, all female characters MUST be either uninterested or take up political lesbianism to satisfy feminism. EVERY movie must contain feminist ideals or it’s WRONG, hang what the creators want! FORCE people to dislike it!
I tell you what, I think most of you dry dusty shews are just jealous of anyone who’s happy, hahaha. If you think that her and Quill getting together actually lessens her worth as a character, you need to step back and actually think about who’s the real misogynist here. (HINT HINT, u bby)
Guardians of The Galaxy passes the bechdel test; it’s one of the few that does pass that sorry excuse for a ‘test’ feminists came up with. WEIRD. Man, it’s almost as if …you’re … wrong!
How about at the end with the implicit romantic ~*ill follow whatever choices u make as i touch u and stare out romantically into the distance~* But, again, you’re arguing against microaggressions so I guess you miss subtlety…a lot.
"microaggressions", LOL aka your excuse to get MEGA butthurt about each and every little thing that rubs you the wrong way. You know, for such a ‘strong woman’, you sure are a delicate little thing aren’t you?
also, “TRUST AND LOVE SO HORRIBLE OH NO.
BE SAD GAMORA, GODDAMNIT. Never, EVER find happiness. Struggle your entire life as a character because it fits my ideal and I can claim it supports my movement!”
Haha fights claims of misogyny with misogyny. Fights claims of ableism with ableist language. You are a real, peach :)
hahaha is still a fucking troglodyte mouthbreather who can’t do anything but manufacture reasons to be pissed off to stay relevent. LOL thinks she’s actually won the debate by any stretch of the imagination just because she threw around a few buzzwords and labeled everyone she could victimize as a “PoC”. HEHEHE tossed up a few strawmen and made gross exaggerations and wild stretches of logic - does your arm hurt from all that reaching?